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Cannock Chase MTB centre has 2 Red waymarked mountain bike trails known as Follow The Dog and The Monkey Trail (the latter with significant black sections). There is also a  Green and 2 Blue graded trails. Nearby is also a set of downhill trails just down the road in Stile Cop. The Cannock Chase visitors centre has a decent cafe and there is a bike shop Swinnerton Cycles with a bike wash so you are pretty well catered for.

Follow the Dog (Red)

  • Follow the Dog at Cannock Chase is a red graded 7 mile (11km) intermediate mountain bike trail aimed at competent mountain bikers. Opened in 2005 the trail was completely designed and built by Chase Trails and more recently additional sections have been added including the all new Tackeroo descent which was built as part of the contractor works to the Monkey Trail and was opened in April 2010. 

The Monkey Trail (Red with Black Options)

  • This opened in April 2010 and the Monkey Trail is actually an optional extension to Follow the Dog although has the status of being its own trail in its own right. Again it’s a red graded trail but this time it’s a far more technically challenging and demanding trail. It is 15 miles (24km) long and includes bigger climbs, more technical descents and optional black graded lines. The trail is intended for experienced and technically competent rider.  Some of the renowned sections to look out for are Rainbow Valley, Over the Rainbow, Deerskull, Pot of Gold and Roller Coaster. The Monkey Trail can be ridden by starting Follow the Dog to approximately half way and then turning off to ride a further 7 mile trail before returning to complete Follow the Dog.

Downhill Trails

  • This Red Course is a smooth, wide, fast and flowing course for intermediate riders with a series of drops and jumps all the way to the bottom. The Red Course also leads onto the following trails; the CDL, Mega Trail, Snakes ‘n Ladders, Black Course, The Dark Side, Ridge Run, Little Bringe, Wonderland, Balboa and New Line. All just a ten minute walk up the hill (NB: no uplift service)

Green Trails

  • There is also a Green graded trail suitable for families and beginners called The Fairoak Trail (4km).

Blue Trails

  • There is the Sherbrook Blue graded trail which has two loop choices. The 12km Pepper Slade Loop and the 20km Abraham's Valley Loop. These are mostly fireroad. 

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Other Stuff

  • Cannock Chase is a Forestry commission trail centre. They also make this all possible so respect. Check them out here.

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Trails

Trail Grades
  • Green (Easy)
  • Blue (Moderate)
  • Red (Difficult)
  • Black (Severe)
  • Orange (Extreme)
Type of Trail(s)
  • Cross Country (XC )
  • Downhill
Facilities
  • Car Park
  • Toilets
  • Visitor Centre
  • Cafe
  • Bike Wash
Type of Centre/Base
Trail Distance(s)
  • Under 5km
  • 11- 20km
  • 21 - 30km
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Location

Trail Centre or Base
Country
County/State
Address
Birches Valley, Lady Hill, Rugeley, Staffordshire, WS15 2UQ
Directions
Follow the Dog and the Leisure trail all start from the Birches Valley Forest Centre in Rugeley. WS15 2UQ
The Downhill Courses are at Stile Cop in Rugeley. Postcode for Satnav - WS15 1ND
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Average user rating from: 12 user(s)

Overall rating 
 
4.1
Grin Factor 
 
4.1  (12)
Trail Variety 
 
3.9  (12)
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3.9  (12)
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4.3  (12)
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4.6  (12)
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Having visited Cannock Chase for the first time today I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised with the quality of the trails and the varying terrain. Most of the downhill sections were excellent and left a big grin on my face and that of my mate that was with me. The climbs were most surprising quite steep and technical in places. The facilities at cannock are great very cheap to park just £3.00 for the whole day. All in all a very enjoyable day out I will definitely be back as it is quite local for me. The only complaint I would have is about the people who use the trail and leave there litter strewn across the forest floor not nice when there are people who don't really get a lot of recognition for looking after the trails you ride and keeping them in the condition they are in maybe these people who drop there rubbish should consider this and the environment around them and put there rubbish in there pocket or bag and dispose of it properly so other peoples enjoyment of the trail is not marred.
Overall rating 
 
4.4
Grin Factor 
 
4.5
Trail Variety 
 
4.5
Skills Development 
 
4.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.5
Facilities 
 
4.0
AndyP1967 Reviewed by AndyP1967 April 11, 2013
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Surprise

Having visited Cannock Chase for the first time today I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised with the quality of the trails and the varying terrain. Most of the downhill sections were excellent and left a big grin on my face and that of my mate that was with me. The climbs were most surprising quite steep and technical in places. The facilities at cannock are great very cheap to park just £3.00 for the whole day. All in all a very enjoyable day out I will definitely be back as it is quite local for me. The only complaint I would have is about the people who use the trail and leave there litter strewn across the forest floor not nice when there are people who don't really get a lot of recognition for looking after the trails you ride and keeping them in the condition they are in maybe these people who drop there rubbish should consider this and the environment around them and put there rubbish in there pocket or bag and dispose of it properly so other peoples enjoyment of the trail is not marred.

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Had fun at Cannock, will visit again.

Follow the dog on its own was not worthy of a Red classification in my opinion, nothing challenging really, more of a novice flowing XC trail. But the Monkey trail is a brilliant intermediate extension, with the black sections adding much fun. Worth going for the monkey trail alone.

Found the Follow the dog trail a bit overcrowded (particularly worrying as it is only march), got stuck behind people who plain refused to move out the way when asked politely.

You could easily ride here on a hard tail, suspension is not really essential.

Some friendly locals showed us some diversions down unofficial trails on our second loop. These were good tree root strewn trails and worth riding.

Trails were well looked after and the facilities were good.
Overall rating 
 
3.5
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
3.5
Skills Development 
 
2.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.0
Facilities 
 
4.0
Reviewed by Dan March 10, 2013

cannock

Had fun at Cannock, will visit again.

Follow the dog on its own was not worthy of a Red classification in my opinion, nothing challenging really, more of a novice flowing XC trail. But the Monkey trail is a brilliant intermediate extension, with the black sections adding much fun. Worth going for the monkey trail alone.

Found the Follow the dog trail a bit overcrowded (particularly worrying as it is only march), got stuck behind people who plain refused to move out the way when asked politely.

You could easily ride here on a hard tail, suspension is not really essential.

Some friendly locals showed us some diversions down unofficial trails on our second loop. These were good tree root strewn trails and worth riding.

Trails were well looked after and the facilities were good.

User Review

Good Points
Monkey trail fun
Good fun non official trails
Well looked after (particularly after all the wet weather)
Good flow to all trails
Bad Points
Follow the dog not really challenging for a red.
A little busy
Would you recommend?
Yes
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excellent trails really well kept by volenters!! monkey trails is excellent big ups and technicle downs!!
Overall rating 
 
4.7
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
4.5
Skills Development 
 
5.0
Trail Quality  
 
5.0
Facilities 
 
5.0
kavanagh Reviewed by kavanagh March 07, 2013
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excellent trails really well kept by volenters!! monkey trails is excellent big ups and technicle downs!!

User Review

Would you recommend?
Yes
Owner's reply

thank you for you review, happy trails!

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We drove up from Bristol for a few hours and were a bit surprised how much fun we had at Cannock. I think we both underestimated it a little - although I'm still carrying a lot of excess flab from Christmas. Anyway, we both left well-pleased with the ride. It's great fun for a novice/intermediate rider. Some great flowing sections and a few significant challenges here and there on the second trail (Monkey). We went in mid-Feb and the trail was pretty quiet and in great condition considering recent weather, but can imagine it gets busy in the summer, given the location. All-weather trail - but nice to see some mud and rooty sections! Finally, the centre is great, too, with cafe/toilets and shop with pretty much all you'd need. Def worth a visit - do a couple of laps to make a day of it!
Overall rating 
 
3.9
Grin Factor 
 
3.5
Trail Variety 
 
3.5
Skills Development 
 
3.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.5
Facilities 
 
5.0
PJM1 Reviewed by PJM1 March 07, 2013
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Cannock Chase

We drove up from Bristol for a few hours and were a bit surprised how much fun we had at Cannock. I think we both underestimated it a little - although I'm still carrying a lot of excess flab from Christmas. Anyway, we both left well-pleased with the ride. It's great fun for a novice/intermediate rider. Some great flowing sections and a few significant challenges here and there on the second trail (Monkey). We went in mid-Feb and the trail was pretty quiet and in great condition considering recent weather, but can imagine it gets busy in the summer, given the location. All-weather trail - but nice to see some mud and rooty sections! Finally, the centre is great, too, with cafe/toilets and shop with pretty much all you'd need. Def worth a visit - do a couple of laps to make a day of it!

User Review

Good Points
Good % singletrack and good flow throughout
Some surprisingly decent technical challenges - esp on Monkey
All weather
Bad Points
Can imagine it gets busy in spring/summer
Pretty flat if you're used to Wales (but they've done a brilliant job considering location!)
Would you recommend?
Yes
Owner's reply

really pleased you found it worth the trip! see you again soon

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Cannock Chase is my local riding spot, every time I go it leaves me with a grin on my face!
Overall rating 
 
4.6
Grin Factor 
 
4.5
Trail Variety 
 
4.5
Skills Development 
 
4.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.5
Facilities 
 
5.0
Reviewed by Kate Gries March 07, 2013

Chase Trails Dog & Monkey

Cannock Chase is my local riding spot, every time I go it leaves me with a grin on my face!

User Review

Good Points
If you put the two trails - Monkey and Dog together its a good distance to ride.
Some challenging rock gardens, Warewolf drop etc.
Some good lung busting hill climbs & technical hill climbs on the Monkey.
Nice downhill sections on the Monkey - Upper and Lower Cliff.
Pure good fun!
Loads of off the beat single tracks to explore.
Bad Points
It can get a bit battered during the winter leaving a lot of repair work. So it always helps if riders contribute towards maintaining the routes. Even if you just pay £15 to become a member for the year. Every little helps!
Would you recommend?
Yes
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Not an expert but great trails and deffo the best in the midlands
Overall rating 
 
4.8
Grin Factor 
 
5.0
Trail Variety 
 
4.5
Skills Development 
 
4.5
Trail Quality  
 
5.0
Facilities 
 
5.0
Flick jock Reviewed by Flick jock March 07, 2013
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Cannock rocks

Not an expert but great trails and deffo the best in the midlands

User Review

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Yes
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A good trail, as many otherrs have said it is really only one trail with an extension rather than 2 separate.

For someone that lives in the Midlands it is the closest 'proper' mountain biking.
Overall rating 
 
3.9
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
3.0
Skills Development 
 
4.0
Trail Quality  
 
4.0
Facilities 
 
5.0
Rob_c Reviewed by Rob_c March 06, 2013
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Chase Trails

A good trail, as many otherrs have said it is really only one trail with an extension rather than 2 separate.

For someone that lives in the Midlands it is the closest 'proper' mountain biking.

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This is my local trail, and I ride it often. I'm not sure that FTD needs to be a red, the length and a lot of the trail would lend itself to being a fun blue. There are elements which would be beyond it, but these are the parts which don't really fit the character of the area anyway - e.g. Werewolf drops and Stegosaurus, seeing as they are comprised of imported rock, which isn't a natural feature of the chase.

I think the overall loop (it's hard for me to see the Monkey as separate from the Dog) is very good, and keeps the interest coming through out. It's starts off almost immediately on singletrack, and has some great singletrack climbs and descents - although it could do with more, and switching out those fire road climbs.
Overall rating 
 
3.7
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
3.0
Skills Development 
 
3.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.0
Facilities 
 
4.0
Bokonon Reviewed by Bokonon March 05, 2013
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Needs a good blue

This is my local trail, and I ride it often. I'm not sure that FTD needs to be a red, the length and a lot of the trail would lend itself to being a fun blue. There are elements which would be beyond it, but these are the parts which don't really fit the character of the area anyway - e.g. Werewolf drops and Stegosaurus, seeing as they are comprised of imported rock, which isn't a natural feature of the chase.

I think the overall loop (it's hard for me to see the Monkey as separate from the Dog) is very good, and keeps the interest coming through out. It's starts off almost immediately on singletrack, and has some great singletrack climbs and descents - although it could do with more, and switching out those fire road climbs.

User Review

Good Points
Near my house
Good fun
Resilient to the bad weather
Variety of lengths possible
lots of other bits to do locally on top
Bad Points
Needs a good blue trail
Isn't really 2 routes, it's one with a shorter option
Fire road climbs
Would you recommend?
Yes
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I like to do 2 laps of the Monkey. Its a figure of 8 with the upper loop being monkey trail and the lower one being follow the dog...I do the first half a dog, 2 monkeys then the tail end of the dog. Its well worth the 200mile round trip a couple of times a year.
Overall rating 
 
3.8
Grin Factor 
 
3.5
Trail Variety 
 
4.0
Skills Development 
 
4.0
Trail Quality  
 
4.0
Facilities 
 
3.5
StupidMonkeyKev Reviewed by StupidMonkeyKev February 27, 2013
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Love the Monkey!

I like to do 2 laps of the Monkey. Its a figure of 8 with the upper loop being monkey trail and the lower one being follow the dog...I do the first half a dog, 2 monkeys then the tail end of the dog. Its well worth the 200mile round trip a couple of times a year.

User Review

Good Points
Monkey!
Bad Points
Short for how far it is for me to travel - hence doing two monkey loops
Would you recommend?
Yes
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Follow the Dog is a 6 mile red graded trail suitable for most people with some off road experience.

The Monkey Trail is a 6 mile extension on the Dog trail, still graded as red but more technically demanding. the last two descents are the best on the Chase (Upper and Lower Cliff)

Stile Cop Bike Park has over 10, 1 minute long downhill tracks along with the main "Red Run" the most used and fun trail on the hill, a great starting point as most jumps and drops are rollable.


Word can only say so much, so check out our video from 2011 filmed on the Monkey Trail at Cannock Chase http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2EfN19-eH1k
Overall rating 
 
4.1
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
4.0
Skills Development 
 
4.5
Trail Quality  
 
3.5
Facilities 
 
5.0
Reviewed by Adam Halling February 11, 2013

Cannock Chase Trail Review

Follow the Dog is a 6 mile red graded trail suitable for most people with some off road experience.

The Monkey Trail is a 6 mile extension on the Dog trail, still graded as red but more technically demanding. the last two descents are the best on the Chase (Upper and Lower Cliff)

Stile Cop Bike Park has over 10, 1 minute long downhill tracks along with the main "Red Run" the most used and fun trail on the hill, a great starting point as most jumps and drops are rollable.


Word can only say so much, so check out our video from 2011 filmed on the Monkey Trail at Cannock Chase http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2EfN19-eH1k

User Review

Good Points
Great bike shop (Swinnerton Cycels)
Good cross country trails (Follow The Dog and Monkey)
Good area to hone your skills at Stile Cop downhill area (5-6 inch travel trail bike more than enuff)
Central to the country so can get busy
Bad Points
Very busy on weekends
Would you recommend?
Yes
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Cannock Chase has two red routes, Follow the Dog and The Monkey Trail. Both are tremendous fun to ride, and aren't too tricky for most people who can handle a red route.

Follow the Dog is the main loop, and the easier of the two, coming in at around 6 miles or so. It's a fantastic trail for beginners too, as there's enough to challenge you if you want it to, but there's nothing major to put you off if you're new to mountain biking and all the tricky bits can be avoided or walked.

Right from the start of FTD, you're on singletrack until about 1/3rd of the way around when you'll hit the one and only fire road climb. Once you're at the top, it's back onto singletrack until you reach where the trail splits in two - and the Monkey starts (which I'll get to in a minute). Carrying on the Dog from the split, and about 2/3rds round, you'll reach the campsite (which has fresh water if you need it). From then, it's all the way back down the hill back to the car park. There's nothing overly challenging in terms of features, but add some speed and you can make it as tricky as you want.

The Monkey Trail starts mid-way around Follow the Dog, and if you choose to do it you'll miss out a very short section of the Dog. Where the trail splits in two, heading to the left will start you onto the Monkey, and starts off with a nice steep switchback descent down a hill to the railway crossing. Once you're over the railway line and road, you'll hit the Monkey. There's plenty of stuff to keep you busy here - short sharp climbs, fun flowing descents, several black sections, various berms, rock gardens, and some jumps. However, the fun comes when you reach Upper and Lower Cliff. These two sections have some fairly steep climbs, but the descents are awesome fun. Lower Cliff is by far my favourite, and there are several places where you can get some nice air if you want to! Plus, it doesn't take too long to ride back up each one if you want to do them again. Once you've done Lower Cliff, you head back over the road and rail crossing, back up the hill, and you'll rejoin Follow the Dog.

Traffic-wise, Cannock gets very busy during weekends, especially during summer. If you can make it out during the week it's a heck of a lot quieter, but during weekends expect to get stuck behind people who are slower than you sometimes! In addition, because of the amount of traffic the trails get, the surface tends to get a lot of braking bumps, so if you have a full suspension bike, you might want to bring it a long - but you can do everything perfectly well on a hardtail or even a rigid bike.

Facilities at the Chase are decent - to start with, it's only about 20 minutes ride up the hill from the railway stations at Rugeley, so it's easy to get to by train. The trail head has a large car park, bike shop, cafe, toilets, a GoApe, and is open every day (bike shop closes on Wednesdays). There's also a second cafe approx half-way around Follow the Dog, though it's not signposted that well and about 5 mins ride away from the trail.

Finally, there's unfortunately no skills area of any kind on the Chase. There are some little jumps scattered around remote areas which, if you know where they are, can be fun, but there's nothing to really practise and hone your skills on, sadly. You can always give Stile Cop a go, but it's more of a downhill park (with massive jumps and so on) and even the easiest of the routes is pretty steep.
Overall rating 
 
3.8
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
3.5
Skills Development 
 
2.5
Trail Quality  
 
4.5
Facilities 
 
5.0
WilliamTM Reviewed by WilliamTM December 20, 2012
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Cannock Chase has two red routes, Follow the Dog and The Monkey Trail. Both are tremendous fun to ride, and aren't too tricky for most people who can handle a red route.

Follow the Dog is the main loop, and the easier of the two, coming in at around 6 miles or so. It's a fantastic trail for beginners too, as there's enough to challenge you if you want it to, but there's nothing major to put you off if you're new to mountain biking and all the tricky bits can be avoided or walked.

Right from the start of FTD, you're on singletrack until about 1/3rd of the way around when you'll hit the one and only fire road climb. Once you're at the top, it's back onto singletrack until you reach where the trail splits in two - and the Monkey starts (which I'll get to in a minute). Carrying on the Dog from the split, and about 2/3rds round, you'll reach the campsite (which has fresh water if you need it). From then, it's all the way back down the hill back to the car park. There's nothing overly challenging in terms of features, but add some speed and you can make it as tricky as you want.

The Monkey Trail starts mid-way around Follow the Dog, and if you choose to do it you'll miss out a very short section of the Dog. Where the trail splits in two, heading to the left will start you onto the Monkey, and starts off with a nice steep switchback descent down a hill to the railway crossing. Once you're over the railway line and road, you'll hit the Monkey. There's plenty of stuff to keep you busy here - short sharp climbs, fun flowing descents, several black sections, various berms, rock gardens, and some jumps. However, the fun comes when you reach Upper and Lower Cliff. These two sections have some fairly steep climbs, but the descents are awesome fun. Lower Cliff is by far my favourite, and there are several places where you can get some nice air if you want to! Plus, it doesn't take too long to ride back up each one if you want to do them again. Once you've done Lower Cliff, you head back over the road and rail crossing, back up the hill, and you'll rejoin Follow the Dog.

Traffic-wise, Cannock gets very busy during weekends, especially during summer. If you can make it out during the week it's a heck of a lot quieter, but during weekends expect to get stuck behind people who are slower than you sometimes! In addition, because of the amount of traffic the trails get, the surface tends to get a lot of braking bumps, so if you have a full suspension bike, you might want to bring it a long - but you can do everything perfectly well on a hardtail or even a rigid bike.

Facilities at the Chase are decent - to start with, it's only about 20 minutes ride up the hill from the railway stations at Rugeley, so it's easy to get to by train. The trail head has a large car park, bike shop, cafe, toilets, a GoApe, and is open every day (bike shop closes on Wednesdays). There's also a second cafe approx half-way around Follow the Dog, though it's not signposted that well and about 5 mins ride away from the trail.

Finally, there's unfortunately no skills area of any kind on the Chase. There are some little jumps scattered around remote areas which, if you know where they are, can be fun, but there's nothing to really practise and hone your skills on, sadly. You can always give Stile Cop a go, but it's more of a downhill park (with massive jumps and so on) and even the easiest of the routes is pretty steep.

User Review

Good Points
Long, but not too long. It's also quite flat. Great on-site facilities. Close to Rugeley railway station(s). Plenty of unmarked single-track if you know where to look.
Bad Points
No "skills area" of any kind. It's flat(ish). Trails suffer from a lot of traffic during summer. The blue route is all fire roads, and not worth doing.
Would you recommend?
Yes
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Had a brill ride here with some of the iBikeRide crew. Decent visitors centre and shop. Loved the beginning of the follow the dog with the rock step taking you up and the numerous bits of shore intertwined within the route. The Monkey Trail which comes up half way through the Follow The Dog is an up, down, up down, up down type of trail so you are never far from a descent that will be twisty and often full of numerous rock gardens. Overall it's rooty, rocky and full of shore so a brill red run. It's 2 hours from my home but definetly now a day trip destination. It''s worth it. Didn't try the black sections this time round but they looked awesome and will be back soon.
Overall rating 
 
4.0
Grin Factor 
 
4.0
Trail Variety 
 
4.5
Skills Development 
 
4.0
Trail Quality  
 
3.5
Facilities 
 
4.0
stumpy_dan Reviewed by stumpy_dan February 18, 2012
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Monkey Trail (Red)

Had a brill ride here with some of the iBikeRide crew. Decent visitors centre and shop. Loved the beginning of the follow the dog with the rock step taking you up and the numerous bits of shore intertwined within the route. The Monkey Trail which comes up half way through the Follow The Dog is an up, down, up down, up down type of trail so you are never far from a descent that will be twisty and often full of numerous rock gardens. Overall it's rooty, rocky and full of shore so a brill red run. It's 2 hours from my home but definetly now a day trip destination. It''s worth it. Didn't try the black sections this time round but they looked awesome and will be back soon.

User Review

Good Points
Loads of shore bits, wood, corners and well maintained. No horrendous climbs
Bad Points
None
Would you recommend?
Yes
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